2023-08-05 00:29:47     average Hey for the americans here. Please supply more military aid to Ukraine so the crisis continues and the taxes in neighbouring countries like mine increase until 
we all go bankrupt.. At least if you supplied enough business to Eastern Europe to compensate for all the damages.
2023-08-05 00:30:06     average Over here we’re on the brink of yet another wave of tax increases..
2023-08-05 00:30:24     average And it’s all because of the shitty conflict up north in Ukraine.
2023-08-05 00:31:00     average Already 3 big tax increases in 1 year.
2023-08-05 00:31:29     average Let’s go for a 4th, we can do it America. We can achieve this.
2023-08-05 00:32:16     pcspkr  based
2023-08-05 00:32:35     pcspkr  romania or hungary lul
2023-08-05 00:33:12     paulguy i guess the only possible options there could ever be are increase in taxes or a country loses its sovereignty.
2023-08-05 00:34:14     pcspkr  we could invade poland again
2023-08-05 00:34:19     average paulguy: Ukraine in its entirety alteady owes the US its worth times one hundred.
2023-08-05 00:34:41     average paulguy: how can we even consider Ukraine sovereign at this point.
2023-08-05 00:35:05     average It was sold the moment Biden’s son stepped in there and did all sorts of big shady deals.
2023-08-05 00:35:07     pcspkr  they can't export hot ukrainian women if there's no ukraine
2023-08-05 00:35:11     average I mean their entire things are sold
2023-08-05 00:35:40     average pcspkr: women go where they’re wanted. they never really export them.
2023-08-05 00:36:40     svito   lol @ thinking taxes bankrupt you
2023-08-05 00:36:54     BrainDamage     oh no, your poor taxes
2023-08-05 00:37:18     BrainDamage     let's slaughter a few more million people, that'll lower your taxes
2023-08-05 00:37:29     svito   government make money, government taketh it away ;_;
2023-08-05 00:37:42     +rcf    BrainDamage: can we get some Soylent green at least 
2023-08-05 00:38:09     BrainDamage     also, you surely are delusional if you think that putin with stop at ukraine
2023-08-05 00:39:04     pcspkr  BrainDamage: where will he go next, surrounded by nato?
2023-08-05 00:39:29     BrainDamage     pcspkr: if not europe, there's plenty of land in asias
2023-08-05 00:39:31     BrainDamage     -s
2023-08-05 00:40:44     paulguy and i imagine invading nato nations would be the similar kind of passive involvement standoff we have now.
2023-08-05 00:41:21     paulguy where it's sending a bunch of resources
2023-08-05 00:42:02     pcspkr  nato can't do that or it would collapse
2023-08-05 00:42:05     paulguy so just allowing ukraine to be taken wouldn't even be "useful" in that way,
2023-08-05 00:42:07     BrainDamage     no, there's only one historical precedent of article 5 being called in, but nations did answer the call, there's a good chance of ww3
2023-08-05 00:42:46     svito   tbh UA can repay its loan in full, it would just take like 100 years
2023-08-05 00:43:00     paulguy oof
2023-08-05 00:43:08     BrainDamage     considering WW2 debts are still being paid, that checks out
2023-08-05 00:43:20     paulguy that has been a worry on my mind.
2023-08-05 00:47:39     svito   also like US taxes won't get smaller without UA spending, which is like what, 3% of military budget?
2023-08-05 00:48:54     BrainDamage     they live in romania
2023-08-05 00:48:56     paulguy yeah we don't need an excuse to spend public money on private business.
2023-08-05 00:49:06     paulguy war or not it'll be spent
2023-08-05 01:13:28     svito   Romanian aid is literally nothing compared to any European country, so IDK why guy is complaining.
2023-08-05 01:13:51     svito   not even 0.1% of Romanian GDP
2023-08-05 01:16:41     svito   Here Romanian is barely visible: https://i.redd.it/erxs0v93ojla1.jpg
2023-08-05 01:46:51     svito   I wonder what economic impact would Europe suffer if Ukraine had no Western support.
2023-08-05 01:47:36     svito   I haven't found an answer to this online.
2023-08-05 01:48:32     ectospasm       Ukraine is a trading partner with much of the west.  Several years ago I was gearing up for a trip to Ukraine, since they produced the core software for the ITSP I was working for (it was called PortaSIP)
2023-08-05 01:55:43     svito   average: I did simple googling and tax rises have some to do with Russian invasion of Ukraine but mostly because they were already too low by EU standards. Invasion would have happened anyway and would have disrupted economy and created inflation spike (which is mostly profiteering which again needs to be compensated by taxes), so really you should be thanking Americans for preserving
2023-08-05 01:55:43     svito   some of Ukraine's economy.
2023-08-05 01:57:23     svito   average: and again Romanian military support of Ukraine is lowest in Europe at 0.1% of GDP. There refugee cost but it's other thing that would also happen anyway and would even be worse without American support for Ukraine.
2023-08-05 01:59:17     cedb    svito: i think at this "level" the silly seperation of economics and politics becomes too absurd
2023-08-05 02:00:14     cedb    as in, ya theres a bunch of cost/benefit analyses that you can make about the war but you cant ignore all the variables like economists do when talking about a single country during like a recession  
2023-08-05 02:01:13     paulguy the original argument made was more or less, ukraine should be allowed to fall because taxes.
2023-08-05 02:03:53     svito   paulguy: also it assumes once Ukraine either surrenders or is rolled over it doesn't cause inflation in Romania and doesn't force government for more tax increases
2023-08-05 02:05:03     paulguy svito yeah there's always that, and yeah any sort of a "change" at all is some reason for business to ask for more money
2023-08-05 02:06:06     cedb    also what "taxes"
2023-08-05 02:06:22     cedb    income taxes for the majority of people?
2023-08-05 02:06:39     paulguy ah yeah that too.  usually income tax for individuals is only done once per year
2023-08-05 02:06:48     cedb    and why /the fuck/ would *romania" be sharing the financial burden to the point it fucks up their gvmt 
2023-08-05 02:06:57     svito   cedb: dividend and property taxes: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/romanian-government-plans-tax-hikes-boost-budget-2022-07-05/
2023-08-05 02:06:58     paulguy although maybe the predicted rate for the next year would've gone up.
2023-08-05 02:06:58     @phrik  Title: Romanian government plans tax hikes to boost budget | Reuters (at www.reuters.com)
2023-08-05 02:07:03     paulguy ah
2023-08-05 02:07:04     cedb    svito: ohhhh
2023-08-05 02:12:22     svito   more recent article: https://emerging-europe.com/news/for-romanias-it-sector-an-end-to-tax-exemptions-offers-cause-for-concern/
2023-08-05 02:12:41     cedb    > war
2023-08-05 02:12:47     cedb    > -cause-for-concern
2023-08-05 02:12:59     cedb    emerging-europe is the most sus domain name ive ever seen
2023-08-05 02:13:07     +pulec  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAZaGUs7hZY
2023-08-05 02:13:08     @phrik  Title: Cause 4 Concern - Wormhole (oldschool set) | Drum and Bass - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2023-08-05 02:13:25     MortimerHoughton        cedb: what is it emerging from?
2023-08-05 02:13:34     paulguy pulec's butt
2023-08-05 02:13:41     +pulec  rude
2023-08-05 02:13:41     cedb    MortimerHoughton: THE DARK AGES
2023-08-05 02:13:50     MortimerHoughton        oh...can we just have it stay there instead?
2023-08-05 02:13:54     paulguy i mean, we do make dirt
2023-08-05 02:15:07     svito   MortimerHoughton: emerging from communism
2023-08-05 02:15:39     MortimerHoughton        svito: I thought that already happened.  They're kind of doing a slow rollout if it's still going on
2023-08-05 02:15:49     paulguy "communism" in a sense of, social programs?
2023-08-05 02:16:39     paulguy of course, if one is against handing out money, tax exemptions should be on their radar. :p
2023-08-05 02:17:51     svito   whole tax exemptions thing supposed to be a trap from beginning